And just to make things clear - yes, I'm aware that they are both men and women saying those words to other women. Not only men can be opressive, I know that. And I know that this "burning bras" thing never actually happened, but this is what many many people associate feminism with and this is what I am talking about here.
Oh, and I'm superglad if you never heard those words and never been hurt this way, but only because you were lucky and grew up in a friendly society doesn't mean it's always like that. Here, in Poland, for example, we have a huge problem with that. And not only with unkind words and being rude - but with serious violence. Here, have some statistics about Poland:
It's a special kind of sad when the media constantly states how anti-feminists are evil and feminists can silence us with impunity, but apparently, it's feminists who are unjustly persecuted.
Give me a fucking break.
- Uh... if she agreed and it's starting and going on... how does that become unwanted sexual contact? I mean, in midst of the act, I'm not refering to a relationship cut short by whatever reason.
11% of all polish people thinks that this is not rape if the men was victim's husband.
- That is a reaaaaaaally small minority compared to the world. I don't see how feminists are going to change a minority.
29% of public prosecutors and 39% of policemen thinks that this is not rape if victim was forced to have sexual contact other way then by physical violence.
- I don't believe that number is true and if it is, that is the minority and that is the reason there are higher courts.
That means that for about 20% of public prosecutors and 40% of policemen there is no such thing as rape crime because there's no such kind of behavior they would treat as rape.
- Uh, how can you tell? Those numbers don't really make mathematical sense... there must be a rate of exclusion missing there. Also, believing or not, the law is not based on belief. The highest ranking judges take rape VERY seriously.
Statistics from a feminist site are about as trustworthy as a back alley candyvendor... in a van... with "free candy" painted in black on the side of said van... at night...
I did watch your work and they were progressive, skillful, witty and smart. This picture and it's description are showing a decline of that smart thing you got going on there. I mean, the problems in this drawing...
The first from the top left is not a female problem, it's a fat problem... no pun intended. Both sexes have that.
Next one on the right is a no-brainer. If a woman is wearing a seemingly slooty, uncomfortable getup, it IS safe to assume that she wants to get attention. Why would ANYONE want to go out into public looking OUT OF PLACE if they don't want to be noticed? (by both the majority of non-rapists and the minority of actual rapists, which INCLUDE female rapists!) The slur "slut" I do not condone, I don't like slurs, but if the slur is not a lie, it is used for a reason, which is to CRITICIZE, not to disrespect.
Next one has more to do with paranoia from the opposite sex. You know, the paranoid nerd, who still can't believe that a girl actually likes the same thing they do, because of the unjust and very unfair social dynamics that are ruining the lives of male nerds and are affecting female nerds just that bit less.(I'm not expanding on this, it's complicated, but fact is still, feminism has nothing to do with this one either.)
The next one is a selfesteem issue, again, not a feminist issue. Slooty getups and slutty behavior is the desciding factors for those slurs, again, to express opinionated criticizm against those things. These forms of social pressure is used to act on the persons "social drive" as I like to call it, so that the one getting criticized changes those things about themselves. Why isn't this a feminist issue exactly? Well, I don't posess this thing I call "social drive" I don't pursue to please everyones opinion and guess what happened to me! I was a wee lad and I got physically assaulted BY GIRLS! And I was a head taller than them and I was a very patient MAN, because I didn't break their necks for that, even though I could have done that. Where is MY masculinism when I needed it then, huh?
The housewife! Oh, what I wouldn't give for a world, where I could sit at home all day, doing those household chores, taking care of my children if my wife would go to work instead of me. But society would chastize me for it. Good thing I don't give a frilly willy about what anyone thinks, ey? Also, if a woman, ANY woman in my vicinity gets pregnant, they are congratulated, not chastized. What is in that picture is something I consider being in fringe locations around the world, where there is some kind of rift into another universe.
Oh man! The last one if flat out wrong! The only time someone is saying that, is when the houswife trope gets reversed(househusband) and the wife goes to work AAALL the time, never seeing her children. Which is considered PROGRESSIVE and not to be muddied with such insults! Interesting, ey?
So, i don't see how this could come from such a smart artist like yourself. It just doesn't fit...
And I am a male, who say this.
Ah yes, women and girls get hated at so much. Men and boys have it so much better, don't they? I mean, why else would men and boys commit suicide 4 times more than women and girls do?
I know I know I was an idiot during that time and I'm sorry. I'll take down the comment and I would have if I had even remember it, but to you and everyone who got offended by my stupidity, I'm sorry.
People ask for respect
Do they get it?
Most of the time, no
It shows that at least 40% of the human population are idiots and close-minded
ale zdaję sobie sprawę że tak bywa i jestem wdzięczny ze pokazała to pani ludziom. I taboretom.
About wrong definition of feminism: the idea, real intention of the originator, in any cases isn’t shared by everyone equally. That leads to misunderstandings and myths around the idea, thus creating a different distorted view. And that view can be distorted again by others, and so on. It’s like informational genes, it changes and mutates. And everyone thinks that he or she knows the truth, which is not from the view of origin. More than that, there are a lot of people thinking that their “truth” is the only one and real one. So they do whatever they want, even if that hurts others. But they don’t bother with it, because in their opinion they have the right, they are better, they are truly normal humans; instead those, who doesn’t share their vision are nothing. Well, it’s just my opinion and my impression about some events of my life. I can be wrong at all.
Congrats with DD!
I had thought it was an amusing contrast that people might appreciate; that the point is lost on you is not my onus.
There's a difference here that's not coming through. You're acting as though anything that depicts a woman is in perfect rectitude and represents freedom of expression for the woman depicted -- well I'm saying that it's not always that way. One has to be conscious of the images and expectations foisted upon women, as well. One has to consider what the volume and frequency of certain representations mean when taken together.
It's not that I've missed the point of the comic -- it's pretty blatantly highlighted, after all -- it's that you fail to differentiate between a woman's right to personal expression, on one hand, and anyone's representation of a woman, on the other.
But continuing to view the world in stereotypes is what keeps the system going - and then women end up trying to avoid those stereotypes; and in so doing get other stereotypes. Much like Anti-Sues.
The women in this cartoon are not real women either. Does that change anything?
You're getting more distracted as this (already far too long) train of replies grows ever longer and the crux of the argument is just getting buried. At this point all I can do is let you know that I won't be wasting any more time on these laborious responses, and that if you need clarification you can just read my previous replies -- everything I've wanted to say is there and already clearly put.
I don't think that is what this piece is about though...some women, just like some men can be sexist pigs... don't put that on all of us, any more than we should be putting that on you guys... We're two sides of the same coin, called humanity. Both equal in value and necessary if in different capacities.